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post #11 of 25 (permalink) Old 06-28-2006, 06:44 AM
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Most of his mods are HPD and they know what clutching works for their race mod kit...you do have the HPD clutch kit for the race mod right?

2001 Scrambler. RcR Race Ported, Wiseco .040, Lightened Flywheel,Keihin 39 Pwk With Clamp On K&N, Hot Seat 12:1 Cool Head, Aaen Girdle Kit, HPD Case Saver, CPI In-Frame Drag Pipe, Rad Valve, HPD Clutching Mine Lightened up quite a bit 21X12X8 10 paddle extreme haulers. (MINE)

2001 Scrambler. Hpd Trail Pipe w/FmF silencer, Trail Ported, Wiseco .020 ,Machined Head, Gutted Air Box w/ K&N, Rad Valve, AC Pro Peg nerfs,22x11x10 8 paddle haulers. (WIFES)
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post #12 of 25 (permalink) Old 06-28-2006, 07:24 AM Thread Starter
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Yeah, all my clutch stuff is the aggressive clutch kit that came with my race mod kit. However i didn't install it... know nothing about it... dont have any clutch tools, and I cant even make sense of the clutch chart that HPD has.

---99 scrambler 400--- HPD race mod kit: .040 over stock bore. (408 cc) 39 Pwk keihen carb,(185 Main, clip at top) modded air box, V Force reeds, trail mod port job, Wiseco forged piston, 12:1 HPD head, girdle kit, race mod pipe, stock silencer, EGT, super sport clutch buttons, violet spring, blue primary, and 10/56 weights, custom short shifter, Trail Flywheel. 12/30 gearing. Converted to 2 wheel drive with polished trailblazer spindles. Controling fan with 4x4 switch. Two 20 fin inline coolers. water wetter. MSR high bars, pro grips. Maxxis razr (22"), and front pros
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You do know that "clutch kits" still need to be adjusted right?
A perfect clutch kit still needs to be adjusted to rider weight, elevation, gearing changes, and jetting changes.

Its not as simple as bolting in a magic-kit and being 100% spot on.

Good kits will get you close sometimes, but sometimes they leave a lot on the table.
Get on a dyno and spend a few Hrs clutching it, I'll bet you can gain HUGE ammounts.

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post #14 of 25 (permalink) Old 06-28-2006, 08:58 AM
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you can fix the front clutch srping EASILY!!! just take the cover off and its 7 bolts, but take it off slowly and make sure you put it back on properly!!
as far as if you have to take the rear one off....you need a tool for the rear one. Mine ran a dalton black and oragne on the front...if you want a real pipe go to rittercycle.com he makes a mid pipe that pushes like 8 hp and top end pipe that pushes 10hp i think, it says on his site. all of them are made by him in house

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I've done clutch tuning and have tried a lot of different setup and found that the HPD blue with the stock weights work really well for trail, duning and sand drags.This setup was recommended by Rick Ritter and I tried squeezing extra HP's out of it by trying all kinds of diff. setups but always came back to what he recommended.

Elevation only comes into play on elevations over 7000 foot.

HPD has spent lots of man hours doing the testing for you, so I would say for the average rider that it is really close for most people. Dynos don't work accurately for automatic machines(a timed 300ft. drag race would be the ideal testing grounds)....not many people have access to dynos anyways. Not trying to sound arguemenative but HPD and Ritters recomendations just work. If he hasn't done any clutch maintenance on his primary in 7 years then it's probably due for a overhaul...if not replaced.

2001 Scrambler. RcR Race Ported, Wiseco .040, Lightened Flywheel,Keihin 39 Pwk With Clamp On K&N, Hot Seat 12:1 Cool Head, Aaen Girdle Kit, HPD Case Saver, CPI In-Frame Drag Pipe, Rad Valve, HPD Clutching Mine Lightened up quite a bit 21X12X8 10 paddle extreme haulers. (MINE)

2001 Scrambler. Hpd Trail Pipe w/FmF silencer, Trail Ported, Wiseco .020 ,Machined Head, Gutted Air Box w/ K&N, Rad Valve, AC Pro Peg nerfs,22x11x10 8 paddle haulers. (WIFES)
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Tired clutch springs will allow belt slippage and thats lost power, not sure how old the springs are.

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post #17 of 25 (permalink) Old 06-28-2006, 05:32 PM Thread Starter
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The springs came out of the kit... I wish I knew what color they were. I'll have to contact hpd tomorrow and ask. all of my upgrades have like 20 hrs on em. I sure hope that I haven't screwed up any of my clutch parts by throwing upgrades into a stock, never rebuilt clutch, and not tuning it. I dont have the stock weights, I got whatever ones come with the kit. now that Im thinking of it. I think my primary is blue, and I wanna guess that my secondary is like a purple color. maybe pink..... I dunno! I'll confirm that tomorrow. I never realized how important it was to tune the clutch. I just knew that they were tunable. So How the **** to I tune it! I got basic tools, just not polaris clutch tools.

---99 scrambler 400--- HPD race mod kit: .040 over stock bore. (408 cc) 39 Pwk keihen carb,(185 Main, clip at top) modded air box, V Force reeds, trail mod port job, Wiseco forged piston, 12:1 HPD head, girdle kit, race mod pipe, stock silencer, EGT, super sport clutch buttons, violet spring, blue primary, and 10/56 weights, custom short shifter, Trail Flywheel. 12/30 gearing. Converted to 2 wheel drive with polished trailblazer spindles. Controling fan with 4x4 switch. Two 20 fin inline coolers. water wetter. MSR high bars, pro grips. Maxxis razr (22"), and front pros
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Hey benny you should have a blue primary and violet secondary with the 10-56 weights...not sure what the helix is in the race mod. You wouldn't have messed up your clutch beyond repair...it's probably just time to have the primary buttons replaced.

2001 Scrambler. RcR Race Ported, Wiseco .040, Lightened Flywheel,Keihin 39 Pwk With Clamp On K&N, Hot Seat 12:1 Cool Head, Aaen Girdle Kit, HPD Case Saver, CPI In-Frame Drag Pipe, Rad Valve, HPD Clutching Mine Lightened up quite a bit 21X12X8 10 paddle extreme haulers. (MINE)

2001 Scrambler. Hpd Trail Pipe w/FmF silencer, Trail Ported, Wiseco .020 ,Machined Head, Gutted Air Box w/ K&N, Rad Valve, AC Pro Peg nerfs,22x11x10 8 paddle haulers. (WIFES)
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post #19 of 25 (permalink) Old 06-28-2006, 07:33 PM
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Definately have the buttons replaced before too long.

There are soooo many variables on a clutch system, so its more than likely a combination of things that need to be dialed in.

2009 OUTLAW 525 IRS.

41mm Carb with Transition Ring, Ceramic Coated Header, HMF Competition Series Pipe, Custom Full Intake, Polaris Bob Oil Cooler Adapter with Custom Cooler, Rath +3 A-arms, ALBA Anit-Vibe kit, 15 Tooth sprocket, Pure Polaris Nerfs, Pure Polaris Handguards, Pure Polaris Front Bumper, Fox Float Evol X Shocks (front), Fox Podium X Shocks (rear), PRM 6 pack rack, PRM Rear A-Arm Guards, Pit Posse Shifter, Daytona Digital Tach, G-Force Wheel Spacers, IRazr Radials, Thumper Racing crankcase vent, LM1 A/F Meter. 48.6 WHP, 37.53 Torque.
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post #20 of 25 (permalink) Old 06-28-2006, 10:13 PM Thread Starter
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alright, the buttons, are they what the weights throw themselves against?

---99 scrambler 400--- HPD race mod kit: .040 over stock bore. (408 cc) 39 Pwk keihen carb,(185 Main, clip at top) modded air box, V Force reeds, trail mod port job, Wiseco forged piston, 12:1 HPD head, girdle kit, race mod pipe, stock silencer, EGT, super sport clutch buttons, violet spring, blue primary, and 10/56 weights, custom short shifter, Trail Flywheel. 12/30 gearing. Converted to 2 wheel drive with polished trailblazer spindles. Controling fan with 4x4 switch. Two 20 fin inline coolers. water wetter. MSR high bars, pro grips. Maxxis razr (22"), and front pros
"Thank God I work in a metal shop, sure makes installing new shxt easy."
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